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SESSION
3L938 - 39.
OFFICERS :-
AUDITOR
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- Mr. P. J. fiutley
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Miss A. Hyland B.A.
Mr. T. Reilly
Mr. A Forroat Huaaey B.A. LL.b.
(Ex AvidAtor - Ex Officio
SOLICITORS' APPRENTICES' DEBATING SOCIETY.
The closing Meeting of the 55th Session of the Society was held on the 5th May,1939 in the Solicitors' Buildings,Pour Courts, Dublin. Mr. A.Forrest Hussey,LL.B. presided. The Minutes of the previous Meeting were read and signed without alteration.
The Auditor read his report on the affairs of the Society
during the Session.
Mr.B.J.Lynch proposed and Mr. Nutley seconded
that "the Auditors report be adopted". The report,after some minor
criticism was declared carried.
The Balance Sheet was read by the
Hon f Treasurer,Mr.P.J.Nutley. Mr.Kelly proposed and Mr.Lynch seconded
"that the balance sheet be adopted". The Motion was carried without
opposition.
The Auditor then declared the awards of prizes for the
Session 1938-'39 to be as follows:-
ORATORY ;
Society Silver Medal and Certificate.
................... Mr.P.J.Nutley.
Legal Deoate
: Society's Silver Medal...................Mr.A.Porrest Hussfey.
Impromptu Debate;
Society's Silver Medal ..................Mr.A.Porrest Hussey. Special Certificate ..................Mr.M.J.O'Higgins.
Irish Debate;
Society's Silver Medal ..................Miss s. Doorly. and Certificate.
First Year Speeches.
Society'3 Silver Medal and Certificate
................. Mr. P. P. 0« Sullivan.
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A List of those who had received and returned Ballot papers was read
The result of the election of Officers and Committee ,
by Hon.Corr.Sec.
for the Session 1939-40. was declared as follows.
"
................................... Mr. M.J.Egan,B. A.
Auditor
Hon. Record Sec. ................................... Mr.P.J.Nutley. Hon.Corr.Sec. ................................... Mr.L.D.Boyd. Hon. Treasurer ................................... Mr .D.M. Bowling. - Commit tee";- i Miss L. Pagan,B. A. JUi Miss A.Hyland,B.A. Mr.T.O'Reilly. . Mr.A.Porrest Hussey,B.A.,LL.B. (Ex Auditor Ex Officio). The new Auditor and Committee then entered into office. Mr.Egan, the in- coming Auditor congratulated the out -going Auditor and Committee on a very successful year of office. Mr.Hussey(Ex Auditor) welcomed the new Auditor and Committee and wished them complete success. Mr.Higgins proposed and Mr. Grotty seconded the following Motion "That it is the considered opinion of this Society that for / the benifit of Apprentices who sincerely desire to obtain a satisfact- ory knowledge of Law and Practice during their term of service, the legal Practitioners' Qualification (Ireland) Act 1939 should be repeal- j ed . An amendment to this motion was proposed by Miss Betty Kelly j which read "that; the standard of the preliminary Irish examination be raised and that the second Irish examination be eliminated, except for those who afterwards wished to practise within the Gaeltacth to whom a Special certificate be awarded". After a long discussion the i motion was carried by 12 votes to 2. in accordance with Rule 71 of the Rules and Seeding Orde/Sj of the Society the Meeting terminated at eleven o'cloj
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SESSION 1940-41,
OFFICERS ;-
HON. AUDITOR - - - - - Mr. Daminie M. Dowllng
HON. RECORD SECRETARY - - Mr. Rary 0'Connor
- - Mr. Louis V. Nolan
HON. CORR. SECRETARY
HON. TREASURER - - - - Mr. William J. Walsh
COMMITTEE :-
Miss Ada Hyland, B. A;
Mr. Liam D. Boyel
Mr. Brendan P. O'Byrne, B. A.
Mr. Mickael J. Egan, B. A. (Ex Auditor - Ex Offlei®)
SOLICITORS' APPRENTICES' DEBATING SOCIETY.
The closing Meeting of the 56th. Session of the Society _was held on the 14th. May 1940 in the Solicitors' Buildings, Pour Courts, Dublin. The Auditor Mr. Michael J. Egan, B.A. presided. The Minutes of the previous Meeting were read and signed without alteration. The Balance Sheet was read by the treasurer, Mr* Bowling. It showed that nearly £350- &ad passed through his hands during the Session, and also that all debts swing by and to tke Society had been cleared off. After some minor criticisms, the Balance Sheet was carried unanimously. Ballot papers was read by the Correspondence Secretary. The result of the election of Officers and Committee for the Session 1940-41 was then declared as follows:- Hon, Auditor ....................... Mr. Dominic M. Dowling. . * Hon. Record Secretary ........... '. ........... Mr. Rory 0' Connor. Hon. Corr. Secretary ....................... Mr. Louis V. Nolan. Hon. Treasurer ....................... Mr. William J. Walsh. Committee:- Miss Ada Hyland, B.A. Mr. Liam D. Boyd. » Mr. Brendan P. a'Byrne, B.A. Mr. Michael J. Egan, B.A.(Ex-Auditor, ex-officla) The Auditor then read his Report which was adopted. A list of those Members who had received and returned
The new Auditor and Committee then entered into office. Tke Auditor declared the awards of prizes for the Session v
1939-40 to be as follows:- ORATQRY : r~~ - - - "- - . »
Incorporated Law .Saciftty's Gold Medal
and Society's Certificate ...............Mr. M. J. Egan,
...............Mr. D.M.Dowling,
Society 1 s Silver Medal
...............Mr. L.D. Boyd,
Special Certificate
LEGAL DEBATE :
...............Mr. D.M. Dowling,
President's Gold Medal
...............Mr.P.P.0'Sullivan,
Society's Silver Medal
: Vice-Presielent'e Gold Medal
IMPROMPTU
.>.-..............Mr. Mi"J. Egan, Vice-president's Silver Medal ................Mr. B.P. O'Byrne,
IRISH DEBATE :
...... '........ .Mr. M. J. Bgan,
Society 1 s Gold. Medal
................Mr. E.W. Healy,
Society's Silver Medal
FIRST YEAR SPEECHES :
................Mr. S.A. Murtagh,
Society's Silver Medal
\ Mr. O'Byrne proposed and Mr. 0'Sullivan seconded a vote of
thanks to the outgoing Auditor and his Committee. Messrs. Walsh, Lynch, Kelly, Grotty, and the new Auditor, Mr. Dowling, associated themselves with the vote of thanks. The Motion was carried with acclamation. Mr. Lynch preposei and Mr. Crotty seconded the following Motion :- "That this House agrees with the statement of the President ©f the Incorporated Law Society that Irish is the cause of the low standard of answering in the Final Examination in Law for Solicitors Apprentices". Mr. Lynch proposing the Motion said that after the Ihter- -mediate an Apprentice gives one year of his course to Irish, the result being that he forgets any law he has learned for the Intermediate, and has to start from the beginning again. He also pointed out that no Scholarships had been awarded for some considerable time. Mr. Crotty secpnding said that the standard of answering in the Final had deteriorated since the passing of the Act. He also pointed out that Irish was of no practical use as there were no Law books in Irish. The following also spoke : Messrs. Durnin, McC^oskey and O'Byrne FOR the Motion, and Messrs. McGettigan, Egan, Kelly and Doyle AGAINST. The Motion was carried by 20 votes to 10 votes. The House then adjourned.
SIGNED
President Incorpbrated Law^ociety of Ireland.
DATED this 28th. day of October 194©-
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SESSION
1941-42
OFFICERS :-
HON. AUDITOR
Mr. Patrick P. O'SullIvan, B.A
HON. RECORD SECRETARY
- - Mr. Gerard M. Doyle,
HON. CORH. SECRETARY
- - Mr. Rory 0'Connor.
HON. TREASURER
- - - - Mr. George A. Russell.
COMMUTES :-
Mr. James L. B^rne
Miss Joan
Domhnall MacEiteaghain..
Mr. Dominic M. Bowling, (Ex-Auditor, ex-offioio)
SOLICITOUS' APPRENTICES' DEBATING- SOCIETY OF IB2LAMD
The closing Meeting of the 57th Session of the society was held on the 19th May 1941 in the Solicitors' Buildings, Pour Courts, Dublin. The Auditor Mr. Dominic M. Dowling presided. The Minutes of the previous Meeting were read and signed without alteration. The Balance Sheet was read by the Treasurer, Mr.Walsh.. It showed that over £300. had passed through his hands during the Session. All debts owing by the Society had been paid. After some minor criticisms, the Balance Sheet was carried unanimously. The Auditor then read his report which was passed with acclamation. A list of those Members who had received and returned Ballot ' papers was read by the Correspondence Secretary. The result of the - election of Officers and Committee for the Session 1941-42 was then declared as follows :- Hon. Auditor .................. Mr. Patrick P.0'Sullivan, B.A. Hon. Record Secretary .................. Mr. Grerard M. Doyle. Hon. Corr. Secretary .................. Mr. Sory 0'Connor. Hon. Treasurer .................. Mr. G-eorge A. Russell. Committee:-
Mr. James L. Byrne. Miss Joan MacdKilay. Domhnall MacEiteaghain. Mr. Dominic M. Dowling, (Ex-Auditor, ex oYicio)
The new Auditor and Committee then entered into office. The Auditor declared the awards of prizes for the Session
1940-41 to be as follows :- QBATQHY: :
Incorporated Law Society's Sold Medal and society's Certificate
...............Mr. D. M. Dowling, ...............Mr. L. D. Boyd, - ...............Mr. L. 7. Uolan, *
Society's Silver Medal Special Certificate
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...............Mr. B. J. Durnin, ...............Mr. L. V. Uolan,
President's G-old Medal Society's Silver Medal
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Vice-President's Gold Medal ..................Mr. D. M. Cowling, Vice-President's Silver Medal ..................Mr. L. V. Nolan,
IBISE DEBATE :
..................Mr. J. L. Byrne,
Society's Sold Medal
..................Mr. E.P.McMorrow,
Society's Silver Medal
FLRST YEAB SPEAKBH3 :
Society's silver Medal ..................Mr. J.L.Byrne, Mr. Brendan O'Byrne proposed and Mr. Liam Oollins seconded a vote of thanks to the outgoing Auditor and his Committee. Messrs. Durnin and Boyd associated themselves with the vote of thanks. The Motion was carried with acclamation. Mr. Hory G'Connor proposed and Mr. O'Byrne seconded the following Motion :- "That We the Members of this Society humbly petition the Minister for Justice, to introduce, as soon as possible, legislation to amend the Legal Practitioners (Qualification) Act 1929 in either of two ways:- (a) By deleting from the Act all reference to a 'Second Examination in Irish' for Solicitors' Apprentices, or (b) by making provision to render less difficult such 'Second Examination in Irish". Mr. 0'Connor proposing the Motion said that the very high standard required in the Examination was an enormous handicap to Solicitors' Apprentices who through no fault of their own had little knowledge of the Irish language. He pointed out that having regard to the work to be done, apprenticeship to be served, and examinations to be passed by those becoming solicitors the addition of Irish to the curriculum renders the task of solicitors' Apprentices excessively burdensome and consequently lowers the standard of his or her knowledge of law. Mr. O'Byrne seconding the Motion, suggested that the standard of the "First" Irish should be raised, and that the "Second" Irish should be abolished. Messrs. Collins, G-off and Hutley spoke for the Motion and Messrs. Doyle, Nolan, O'Sullivan and MacEiteaghain spoke against the Motion. The Motion was declared carried. The House then adjourned.
SIGHED ... . 4 .*
President Incorporated Law Society of Ireland.
BATED this 29th day of October 1941.
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